I had heard about the BBC interview in which Clinton throw a hissy fit after being asked about the Lewinsky affair. I was waiting for it to turn up on the internet, and now it has! Watch all 48 minutes here.
The first thing I’d like to say is that I like this show’s camera angles and lighting choices. I thought it was rather refreshing from the straight-on, studio-lit interviews on American TV. This seems more like an friendly, informal conversation.
The first thing Clinton says that catches my attention is when he states politics works best when the parties are fighting about “who is right and who is wrong rather than who’s good and who’s bad.” It’s nice to see a politician, or anybody for that matter, admit that the battle is indeed between rightness and wrongness. It’s frustrating to hear so many people try to dilute things things into a blob of grayness. For the record, I do believe everything is ultimately black and white, but when seen through the foggy lenses of human understanding the dividing line is sometimes hard to discern.
It’s kinda freaky when you hear somebody who was President of the United States, easily the most powerful man on the face of the planet, controller of nuclear weapons, Commander-in-Chief of the greatest military in history, a chief guardian of democracy, and top executor of the law, admit that he lived “parallel lives.”
Clinton shows the first signs of frustration around 16:30 in. He accuses the Press of giving Ken Starr a free-ride, and that’s how he was able to ensnare Clinton into committing perjury (he denies the perjury part, which is understandable). Best quote:
That’s why people like you [the interviewer] always help the far-right ’cause you like to hurt people, and you like to talk about how bad people are and all their personal failings.
Around 18 minutes Clinton is really going off, and then the interviewer feels compelled to defend how he is conducting the interview.
Clinton’s take on the run-up to the Iraq War wasn’t too bad. He supported Bush when Bush demanded new inspections. He supported Bush’s request to use force if the inspections failed. And he says he would have supported a war, regardless of UN support, if the inspections failed. Once again, I find Clinton’s view on foreign policy and defense to be much more palatable than Kerry’s. Clinton also believes we’re “basically moving in the right direction now.” I agree. However, he believes Bush jumped the gun going into Iraq because the inspections hadn’t finished (even though they had per UN resolution 1441). Of course I disagree with this. Saddam was found to be in material breach of UN resolutions, foisted heaps of worthless documents onto the UN inspectors, dragged his feet to “co-operate,” and, in short, acted guilty as hell. When you got the hammer of the US military hovering over you, do you really want to dick around if you can totally avoid it? The inspectors and Saddam had what should have been ample time to conclusively prove there were no WMDs.
I appreciate Clinton’s take on the Israel/Palestine conflict. I like his optimism. I think he makes a great point that because the US is firmly and (so far) unwaveringly committed to the survival of the state of Israel, the US is probably the only third party that Israel will trust and thus allow a peace to be fashioned.
39 minutes in Clinton is asked about Rwanda: “It’s one of my greatest regrets.” He claims there’s no way he could have known “seven hundred, eight hundred thousand people could be killed with machetes in 90 days.”
Interesting exchange about Kerry:
Interviewer: Will Kerry restore Clinton’s domestic policies or will we have to wait for Hillary [paraphase]?
Clinton: I support John Kerry . . . he’s a good man and I believe he will be quite a good president.
I: Quite?
C: Very, very good president. “Quite a good president,” you don’t say that? I think he’d be an excellent president.
I have two reasons why I don’t think Clinton really believes in Kerry: he said “quite” the first time, betraying his gut response, and when he said “he’d make an excellent president” he was looking at the ground . . . like he didn’t really mean it.
All in all, pretty interesting. Use my time markers to maximize the excitement/time ratio.